In the Chile Grand Prix thread our good friend Sean Fidler (Wilbur) makes an impassioned plea he couldn’t possibly be Wilbur because he was on an airplane with several fellow soaring pilots when the latest Wilbur post appeared. Of course such protestations assume that 1) said pilots (if they exist - doubtful) were watching his computer at all times and 2) the flight did not have WiFi (unlikely).

It appears Sean (Wilbur) was a bit too smart for his own good. The post came from IP address 75.104.66.34. A quick lookup shows that IP points to Viasat Inc. which is the WiFi provider to a number of airlines. So Sean (Wilbur) managed to place himself at the “scene of the crime.”

Enjoy the rest of your Sunday by queuing up that “leaving on an airplane tune” and imagineing Sean (Wilbur) breaking down behind the keyboard as he’s once again foiled. Fidddlleee dee, fidddleee dumb!

On Sunday, January 21, 2018 at 10:29:29 AM UTC-5, Kevin Christner wrote:
> In the Chile Grand Prix thread our good friend Sean Fidler (Wilbur) makes an impassioned plea he couldn’t possibly be Wilbur because he was on an airplane with several fellow soaring pilots when the latest Wilbur post appeared. Of course such protestations assume that 1) said pilots (if they exist - doubtful) were watching his computer at all times and 2) the flight did not have WiFi (unlikely).
>
> It appears Sean (Wilbur) was a bit too smart for his own good. The post came from IP address 75.104.66.34. A quick lookup shows that IP points to Viasat Inc. which is the WiFi provider to a number of airlines. So Sean (Wilbur) managed to place himself at the “scene of the crime.”
>
> Enjoy the rest of your Sunday by queuing up that “leaving on an airplane tune” and imagineing Sean (Wilbur) breaking down behind the keyboard as he’s once again foiled. Fidddlleee dee, fidddleee dumb!

You need to get some professional help. You are obsessed with Sean. I would not be surprised if Wilbur were you. Find yourself something else to do. Maybe spend more time with your kids or take your wife to a dinner. Have a great weekend and enjoy life a bit.

Your continued defense of a bully despite repeated incontrovertible evidence is sickening. You should be ashamed.

On Sunday, January 21, 2018 at 11:01:45 AM UTC-5, Kevin Christner wrote:
> Your continued defense of a bully despite repeated incontrovertible evidence is sickening. You should be ashamed.

Did my post contain any defense? No! Please read before you post.

On 1/21/2018 8:57 AM, Andrzej Kobus wrote:
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>
> You need to get some professional help. You are obsessed with Sean. I would not be surprised if Wilbur were you. Find yourself something else to do. Maybe spend more time with your kids or take your wife to a dinner. Have a great weekend and enjoy life a bit.
Mercy, Andrzej! Have you arrived late to the party?

All my knowledge of Mr. S. Fidler and Mr. K. Christner has come via RAS, which
I've read fairly regularly for (gasp!) 20+ years. RAS was my initiation into
"general web discussions," which even back then had generally well-earned the
phrase, "Flame suit on..." And, over the years, pretty much with two
exceptions (PW-5, Lennie the Lurker), RAS proved gratifyingly free (to me,
anyway) of ad hominem "discourse." Regrettably - in my view - Mr. S. Fidler
has distinctly raised RAS's ad hominem bar, well beyond the level of the
"common playground bully," and among other things - perhaps you missed it -
seen fit to personally threaten Mr. K. Christner, apparently for no other
reason that I could detect than Mr. Fidler disagreed with Mr. Christner. A
paragon of civil society, Mr. S. Fidler on RAS has not been, regardless of how
passionate he is about soaring and how much he has done to promote both the
sport and his (and others') enjoyment of it...organizing, promoting and
creating two U.S. SGPs springing immediately to my mind.

Somewhere along my life's line I developed what I imagine is the ability
generally characterized as "critical thinking capacity." I can't turn it off,
in fact. One consequence is I routinely form my own
"informed-as-much-as-possible" opinions about situations and people and
behavior, etc., etc., etc. While on the one hand the soaring nut in me is
genuinely appreciative of Mr. S. Fidler's many promotional contributions to
the U.S. soaring scene, I find it impossible to overlook the mass of uncivil,
abusive, bullying, threatening "body of work" he's simultaneously contributed
to RAS. Judging from some comments from others on RAS, apparently others can,
and choose to, overlook the latter aspect of Mr. Fidler's behavior. I don't
find it surprising that someone personally targeted by Mr. S. Fidler calls the
man out. To *not* do so under similar circumstances would - in my view -
arguably be to condone such unacceptable behavior through silence. OK for
biblical Job maybe, but arguably not so good for civil society.

Respectfully,
Bob W.

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On Sunday, January 21, 2018 at 12:12:11 PM UTC-5, Bob Whelan wrote:
> On 1/21/2018 8:57 AM, Andrzej Kobus wrote:
> <Snip...>
> >
> > You need to get some professional help. You are obsessed with Sean. I would not be surprised if Wilbur were you. Find yourself something else to do. Maybe spend more time with your kids or take your wife to a dinner. Have a great weekend and enjoy life a bit.
> Mercy, Andrzej! Have you arrived late to the party?
>
> All my knowledge of Mr. S. Fidler and Mr. K. Christner has come via RAS, which
> I've read fairly regularly for (gasp!) 20+ years. RAS was my initiation into
> "general web discussions," which even back then had generally well-earned the
> phrase, "Flame suit on..." And, over the years, pretty much with two
> exceptions (PW-5, Lennie the Lurker), RAS proved gratifyingly free (to me,
> anyway) of ad hominem "discourse." Regrettably - in my view - Mr. S. Fidler
> has distinctly raised RAS's ad hominem bar, well beyond the level of the
> "common playground bully," and among other things - perhaps you missed it -
> seen fit to personally threaten Mr. K. Christner, apparently for no other
> reason that I could detect than Mr. Fidler disagreed with Mr. Christner. A
> paragon of civil society, Mr. S. Fidler on RAS has not been, regardless of how
> passionate he is about soaring and how much he has done to promote both the
> sport and his (and others') enjoyment of it...organizing, promoting and
> creating two U.S. SGPs springing immediately to my mind.
>
> Somewhere along my life's line I developed what I imagine is the ability
> generally characterized as "critical thinking capacity." I can't turn it off,
> in fact. One consequence is I routinely form my own
> "informed-as-much-as-possible" opinions about situations and people and
> behavior, etc., etc., etc. While on the one hand the soaring nut in me is
> genuinely appreciative of Mr. S. Fidler's many promotional contributions to
> the U.S. soaring scene, I find it impossible to overlook the mass of uncivil,
> abusive, bullying, threatening "body of work" he's simultaneously contributed
> to RAS. Judging from some comments from others on RAS, apparently others can,
> and choose to, overlook the latter aspect of Mr. Fidler's behavior. I don't
> find it surprising that someone personally targeted by Mr. S. Fidler calls the
> man out. To *not* do so under similar circumstances would - in my view -
> arguably be to condone such unacceptable behavior through silence. OK for
> biblical Job maybe, but arguably not so good for civil society.
>
> Respectfully,
> Bob W.
>
> ---
> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
> http://www.avg.com

Bob, well written post. I think however that there are limits to how long one responds to an attack that happened a long time ago. The fact that Kevin stays on the subject for such a long time and does not miss any opportunity to comment on Sean does not seem normal. We already heard many times from Kevin. He got his point across more than once. Sean would benefit from a bit of restraining as well. Anyway, we would all be better off if this forum became more professional.

This is not about me. He has attacked numerous good, honest, hardworking people over nonsensical issues. I go about my day not thinking about Sean until he posts something incredibly stupid. When he makes a ridiculously flimsy attempt to dissociate himself from his alter ego, I'm going to call him on it so the world knows. I'm not going to allow people to be bullied while he hides behind an alias like a coward.

On Sunday, January 21, 2018 at 1:14:35 PM UTC-5, Andrzej Kobus wrote:
> On Sunday, January 21, 2018 at 12:12:11 PM UTC-5, Bob Whelan wrote:
> > On 1/21/2018 8:57 AM, Andrzej Kobus wrote:
> > <Snip...>
> > >
> > > You need to get some professional help. You are obsessed with Sean. I would not be surprised if Wilbur were you. Find yourself something else to do. Maybe spend more time with your kids or take your wife to a dinner. Have a great weekend and enjoy life a bit.
> > Mercy, Andrzej! Have you arrived late to the party?
> >
> > All my knowledge of Mr. S. Fidler and Mr. K. Christner has come via RAS, which
> > I've read fairly regularly for (gasp!) 20+ years. RAS was my initiation into
> > "general web discussions," which even back then had generally well-earned the
> > phrase, "Flame suit on..." And, over the years, pretty much with two
> > exceptions (PW-5, Lennie the Lurker), RAS proved gratifyingly free (to me,
> > anyway) of ad hominem "discourse." Regrettably - in my view - Mr. S. Fidler
> > has distinctly raised RAS's ad hominem bar, well beyond the level of the
> > "common playground bully," and among other things - perhaps you missed it -
> > seen fit to personally threaten Mr. K. Christner, apparently for no other
> > reason that I could detect than Mr. Fidler disagreed with Mr. Christner.. A
> > paragon of civil society, Mr. S. Fidler on RAS has not been, regardless of how
> > passionate he is about soaring and how much he has done to promote both the
> > sport and his (and others') enjoyment of it...organizing, promoting and
> > creating two U.S. SGPs springing immediately to my mind.
> >
> > Somewhere along my life's line I developed what I imagine is the ability
> > generally characterized as "critical thinking capacity." I can't turn it off,
> > in fact. One consequence is I routinely form my own
> > "informed-as-much-as-possible" opinions about situations and people and
> > behavior, etc., etc., etc. While on the one hand the soaring nut in me is
> > genuinely appreciative of Mr. S. Fidler's many promotional contributions to
> > the U.S. soaring scene, I find it impossible to overlook the mass of uncivil,
> > abusive, bullying, threatening "body of work" he's simultaneously contributed
> > to RAS. Judging from some comments from others on RAS, apparently others can,
> > and choose to, overlook the latter aspect of Mr. Fidler's behavior. I don't
> > find it surprising that someone personally targeted by Mr. S. Fidler calls the
> > man out. To *not* do so under similar circumstances would - in my view -
> > arguably be to condone such unacceptable behavior through silence. OK for
> > biblical Job maybe, but arguably not so good for civil society.
> >
> > Respectfully,
> > Bob W.
> >
> > ---
> > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
> > http://www.avg.com
>
> Bob, well written post. I think however that there are limits to how long one responds to an attack that happened a long time ago. The fact that Kevin stays on the subject for such a long time and does not miss any opportunity to comment on Sean does not seem normal. We already heard many times from Kevin. He got his point across more than once. Sean would benefit from a bit of restraining as well. Anyway, we would all be better off if this forum became more professional.